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Wednesday, April 12, 2006

Is This Really Me?


















One of the signs held up during pro-illegal immigration protests

Apparently anyone who is against illegal immigration nowadays is just a racist bigot, and I'm tired of hearing it. It's coming from illegals and even far left Liberals. In this post I will do my best to prove to you that being against illegal immigration is not racist, and that there is much reasoning behind being against illegal immigration.

The first part of this accusation that anti-illegal immigration is racist comes from the idea that all illegal immigrants are Mexican, they are the reason behind this "bigotry". And I'm against illegal immigration, because they're Mexican. Actually that isn't true, there are illegal immigrants from all over the world, even Asia. So this isn't about race, or ethnicity, it's about the law! It's not like if a whitey crossed the border I'd be any more sympathetic. Sorry, it's against the law, and to play the race card when something is this simple *cough cough* Cynthia McKinney is just being racist yourself. I'm not racist and I'm not xenophobic, all I am is a person who supports law enforcement. So don't tell me I want them out for racial issues, because you know that's false, the law is there for a reason. If we just let anybody into the country you're going to let in terrorists, drug dealers, gangsters, and people carrying diseases that we have eliminated here. Again, the law is not racist bigotry, it's simply to protect our country.

Of course I've already played into another one of their traps by saying illegal immigrants bring crime, and drugs. That's just racist. First off, I use the term illegal immigrants, not Mexicans, so my beliefs couldn't even be passed off as racial. Second, they're just the facts. No sugarcoating, no lying. Illegal immigration does lead to crime, drugs, and diseases. For crime, just look at MS-13. They are a gang of illegal immigrants who have been killing people. But it's not isolated like that. 29% of prisoners in America are illegal immigrants. As for drugs, on the border the when border patrol catch people, they take things like drugs and weapons from them and they keep them in a giant warehouse. You heard me right; boarder patrol has an entire warehouse filled with confiscated drugs and weapons. For Diseases, look at Tuberculosis. A disease we thought we had eliminated, but thanks to illegal immigration, that's not the case anymore. And I'm not even saying all Mexicans are drug lords and gangsters, I'm just saying a lot of illegal immigrants are, and they aren't all Mexicans. Do you really think it's racist to say illegals are a bad influence on our society?

Oh, but they're working right? Of course, some are working. But first I want to just let you know that around a million illegals have been protesting for weeks on end, and I find it incredibly hard to believe they can retain a job by pulling that one off. But I won't deny, yes, some are working, but is that a good thing really? No. Despite how some say they are taking jobs we won't do, I disagree. They are they taking entry level jobs young Americans will do, and because of it, unemployment for Americans will rise due to the fact that employers pick the person who will work for the least amount of money.

But people don't seem to care if they're taking jobs, because they feel sorry for someone who moved here because they couldn't support themselves in Mexico. Sorry, but if you didn't know, Mexico despite the high poverty, is a very rich country. So you may be asking, why doesn't the Mexican government help the poor in their country? Simple, they don't have to. The government has realized America has stupidly accepted the responsibility of Mexico's poverty, and the corrupt government enjoys that. If they don't have to help the poor with all of their money, then they can keep it for themselves and that's that. As harsh as it may sound, we shouldn't take in their poor. Eventually Mexico will realize America will no longer solve their problems and they will be forced to do it themselves.

I just gave you all of the reasons why me and most of America is against illegal immigration, and why that stance is by no means whatsoever, racist. Hopefully some of you will drop most of your charges against people like me, and stop calling me things like a racist bigot. Unfortunately, I doubt that will ever happen.

15 Comments:

  • At 12/4/06 7:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Watch this, dervish will come in and say, "I agree with that sign! Republicans are Nazis!!!" It's a liberal thing. If they throw out a big enough accusation they know they won't have to argue the facts. Just the acusation.

     
  • At 13/4/06 3:39 AM, Blogger Dervish Sanders said…

    Michael Mehigan said... Hey Cody, I had to get an account to respond to this guys comments. W-dervish or whatever.

    Your saying "or whatever" suggests to me that you aren't sure that "w-dervish" really is my user ID. Why you wouldn't be sure, when it's there on the screen right in front of you?

    Michael Mehigan said... First of all he did not suggest that none of these people had jobs. He just stated that it was hard to believe that they had jobs when they could carry out a week long protest.

    What's the difference?

    I think it is you, Michael Mehigan, who needs to read a little more carefully. Cody said, and I quote, "Simple, most of them just aren't even working...". For crying out loud! -- the title of his prior post is "It's a Lie" (That the illegal immigrants are working). Go and check the prior thread -- In every one of my posts I say Cody's claims of their not having jobs is wrong -- he NEVER says that wasn't want he was saying.

    Michael Mehigan said... You also say that Cody stated they are ALL CRIMINALS. Read carfully my friend. He clearly stated that while a bit of them are criminals(no denying that), there were still a decent amount of them that were decent people who wanted to make an honest living.

    In his first post he says, "But who cares if illegals block up traffic, raise crime and drug problems...".

    Then, in this post he writes, "Second, they're just the facts. No sugarcoating, no lying. Illegal immigration does lead to crime, drugs, and diseases".

    Sounds to me like he thinks a large number of them are criminals. He says these are just the "facts", but provides no evidence to back up anything he says.

    Michael Mehigan said... I don't recall Cody ever saying they collected welfare.

    Cody said, and again I'm quoting, "But when you think about it, why would they need a job, they get enough freebies from the government".

    You tell me how someone can not work yet still have money to pay for food, clothing and shelter if you aren't collecting welfare. If, when he refered to "government freebies", he wasn't talking about welfare, why didn't he correct me when I made that claim on the prior thread??

    Michael Mehigan said... And also, you have no more of a basis for your thesis saying that a majority of the people come here for work than a person who believes that a majority come here to commit crimes.

    What about reality? If the majority of illegal immigrants were coming here to commit crimes and not work do you thing bush would be proposing a "guest worker" program? If these people really weren't working don't you think they would know that? What would be the point of a guest worker program if illegal immigrants weren't already working?!

    Michael Mehigan said... Do you actually read the blog, or do you go in there looking for certain gems to pick out and start an argument that has no logical standing.

    Yes. No. Your claim that my arguments have no logical standing is BS! I'm insulted. You say, "I'm very liberal", but I don't buy it. You sound like another greedy heartless conservative to me.

     
  • At 13/4/06 6:50 AM, Blogger Cody O'Connor said…

    Michael Mehigan said...
    "Hey Cody, I had to get an account to respond to this guys comments. W-dervish or whatever."

    Welcome aboard Mike.

    "Your saying "or whatever" suggests to me that you aren't sure that "w-dervish" really is my user ID. Why you wouldn't be sure, when it's there on the screen right in front of you?"

    It's semantics dervish, would you like me to pick apart your comments word for word?

    Michael Mehigan said...
    "First of all he did not suggest that none of these people had jobs. He just stated that it was hard to believe that they had jobs when they could carry out a week long protest."

    Yeah, I am just saying a good amount of illegals probably aren't working, but dervish doesn't understand that it's a theory that can only be backed up by logic and not news stories.

    "What's the difference?"

    The difference is some or most, two different words.

    "I think it is you, Michael Mehigan, who needs to read a little more carefully. Cody said, and I quote, "Simple, most of them just aren't even working...". For crying out loud! -- the title of his prior post is "It's a Lie" (That the illegal immigrants are working). Go and check the prior thread -- In every one of my posts I say Cody's claims of their not having jobs is wrong -- he NEVER says that wasn't want he was saying."

    dervish, you're eating up your own here. Have you no soul? First off, if you read my thesis, the lie was that they are taking jobs we won't, but it's on two levels. One is that SOME people aren't working, and two they are taking jobs Americans DO want.

    Michael Mehigan said...
    You also say that Cody stated they are ALL CRIMINALS. Read carfully my friend. He clearly stated that while a bit of them are criminals(no denying that), there were still a decent amount of them that were decent people who wanted to make an honest living."

    Right, I'm only saying there is a crime problem with illegals. It's not irational hatred, it's the facts! And I backed those facts up in my new post!

    dervish said...
    In his first post he says, "But who cares if illegals block up traffic, raise crime and drug problems..."."

    So...you DON'T care if they do those things? Because they will. Again, not all, but a nice large number of them.

    Then, in this post he writes, "Second, they're just the facts. No sugarcoating, no lying. Illegal immigration does lead to crime, drugs, and diseases"."

    Well, it does. Is the truth racist?

    "Sounds to me like he thinks a large number of them are criminals. He says these are just the "facts", but provides no evidence to back up anything he says."

    BS! I gave you two facts to chew on, did you read them? Or did you skim over that part because the truth makes you break out in a sweat?

    Michael Mehigan said...
    "I don't recall Cody ever saying they collected welfare."

    That's true. I said government freebies which mean free medical care, education, and a number of other things. But yes, I believe a great number of illegals are having children in this country so they can get welfare. Not all, but some.

    Michael Mehigan said...
    "And also, you have no more of a basis for your thesis saying that a majority of the people come here for work than a person who believes that a majority come here to commit crimes."

    I think both hold a lot of truth. A lot of people are working, and a lot are breaking the law (apart from crossing the border illegally of course).

    "What about reality? If the majority of illegal immigrants were coming here to commit crimes and not work do you thing bush would be proposing a "guest worker" program? If these people really weren't working don't you think they would know that? What would be the point of a guest worker program if illegal immigrants weren't already working?!"

    Wait a minute, are you siding with Bush now, because I disagree with him? This is a Kodak moment I say!
    The guest worker program is just a way of saying "I give up, you win, have it your way" because politicians are too lazy to fix the problem, not to mention illegals give them cheap labor and cheap votes. And I'm talking about most politicians, on both sides.

    Michael Mehigan said...
    "Do you actually read the blog, or do you go in there looking for certain gems to pick out and start an argument that has no logical standing."

    I'm sure he skims it, and zooms in on mistakes that can be taken out of context.

    "You say, "I'm very liberal", but I don't buy it. You sound like another greedy heartless conservative to me."

    Being against illegal immigration makes you an evil racist Conservative? Or is it just that anyone who disagrees with your radical views is an evil racist Conservative. You call yourself Liberal, but to me you sound just like a bigoted moron.

     
  • At 13/4/06 2:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    No, I'd say that is a conservative thing. Or maybe just a darksaturos thing. You're the one who made the BS accusation.

    And you're the one who emonstrated it, calling Cody a racist. Good job dervish!


    Your saying "or whatever" suggests to me that you aren't sure that "w-dervish" really is my user ID. Why you wouldn't be sure, when it's there on the screen right in front of you?


    What are you some kinda paranoid? It's a derisive figure of speech that's all.


    In his first post he says, "But who cares if illegals block up traffic, raise crime and drug problems...".


    Yeah in sarcasm! Don't twist words.


    What about reality? If the majority of illegal immigrants were coming here to commit crimes and not work do you thing bush would be proposing a "guest worker" program?


    What all of a sudden you agree with President Bush? He's wrong this time. Guest workers won't leave. There was this story a little while back where an illegal alien got caught. Rather than deport him he was told he could leave and come back legally. He went to the airport and disappeared. Not like on the plane, like in the airport. He decided he'd just skip the legal process AGAIN and stay right here in the US. Point: guest workers is a bad idea beceause they will not leave.

     
  • At 13/4/06 10:07 PM, Blogger Dervish Sanders said…

    Cody O'Connor said... Yeah, I am just saying a good amount of illegals probably aren't working, but dervish doesn't understand that it's a theory that can only be backed up by logic and not news stories.

    From what I read, some undocumented workers DID get in trouble with their employers for missing day(s?) of work. I found nothing that said anyone missed an ENTIRE WEEK of work! You're right, they wouldn't have a job if they did that. Unless their employers were desperate for cheap labor and decided they had no choice but to put up with it. You haven't thought of the possibility that it could be DIFFERENT people protesting every day?? Your argument is extremely flimsy and not backed up by logic at all.

    Cody Said... dervish, you're eating up your own here. Have you no soul?

    Huh?! What??!! There is more to being liberal than saying you are. I believe being liberal means that you are concerned about the welfare of all people regardless of their nationality. As far as I am concerned, his callous and heartless "tough" with regards to Mexican poverty casts SERIOUS doubt on his claim of being liberal.

    Cody Said... First off, if you read my thesis, the lie was that they are taking jobs we won't, but it's on two levels. One is that SOME people aren't working, and two they are taking jobs Americans DO want.

    So now your argument has changed from "most" to "some"?? As for the rest of your argument, I don't think that is entirely true. I think this post from Eidelblog, "Price-setting and illegal immigration", makes some valid points (although I don't agree with everything on this guy's blog).

    Cody Said... Right, I'm only saying there is a crime problem with illegals. It's not irational hatred, it's the facts! And I backed those facts up in my new post!

    Cody Said... you DON'T care if they do those things? Because they will. Again, not all, but a nice large number of them.

    Proof?

    Cody Said... Well, it does. Is the truth racist?

    Again you are claiming that something is the "truth" without an proof!

    Cody Said... BS! I gave you two facts to chew on, did you read them? Or did you skim over that part because the truth makes you break out in a sweat?

    Proof??! Something is NOT a "fact" just because you say it is!

    Cody Said... That's true. I said government freebies which mean free medical care, education, and a number of other things. But yes, I believe a great number of illegals are having children in this country so they can get welfare. Not all, but some.

    Proof??!! The fact that you are basing your ENTIRE argument on assumptions proves just how bigoted you are.

    Cody Said... I think both hold a lot of truth. A lot of people are working, and a lot are breaking the law (apart from crossing the border illegally of course).

    Proof???!!! So now "a lot of people are working", when in your prior post you claimed almost none were??!

    Cody Said... Wait a minute, are you siding with Bush now, because I disagree with him? This is a Kodak moment I say!

    Yeah right. Come on Cody, you know better than to think I would ever agree with bush. I'm simply pointing out the fact that bush would not be proposing a "guest worker" program for people who didn't work.

    Cody Said... The guest worker program is just a way of saying "I give up, you win, have it your way" because politicians are too lazy to fix the problem, not to mention illegals give them cheap labor and cheap votes. And I'm talking about most politicians, on both sides.

    Yes, CHEAP LABOR is the reason behind the "guest worker" program. Wealthy Conservative business owners (bush's base) LOVE cheap labor. Bush is a corporate OWNED president. Which is why he is in favor of cheap immigrant labor. "cheap votes"?? What are you talking about?? As far as I know illegal immigrants can't vote.

    Cody Said... I'm sure he skims it, and zooms in on mistakes that can be taken out of context.

    I did that once (took something out of context). You got mad and threatened to ban me -- and I apologized. I won't be doing that again -- I do NOT like apologizing to conservatives -- although I will do it if I'm wrong.

    Cody Said... Being against illegal immigration makes you an evil racist Conservative? Or is it just that anyone who disagrees with your radical views is an evil racist Conservative. You call yourself Liberal, but to me you sound just like a bigoted moron.

    No. I think we need some rules for people who want to enter the United States. What makes you racist is repeating the FALSE stereotype that Mexicans are lazy (and calling them criminals -- both without any proof what-so-ever). What make both you and Michael greedy and heartless is saying "tough" to Mexico's poverty problem. I'm concerned with the well being of people regardless of nationality -- how does that make me a bigot or a moron??! I'm not the one claiming the "lazy Mexican" stereotype is true. I'm surprised you didn't mention them stoping for a siesta during the protests.

    DarkSaturos said... And you're the one who emonstrated it, calling Cody a racist. Good job dervish!

    "Emonstrated"???? I'll guess that you mean "demonstrated", although it took me awhile to figure that out. Cody starts a "joke" blog (complete with a disclaimer) where he pokes fun at racial stereotypes. Next, on his "serious" blog, he says, basically, the stereotype regarding Mexicans being lazy is true. Say whatever you want, but I call that proof of his racism.

    DarkSaturos said... Yeah in sarcasm! Don't twist words.

    Again, I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about... I think I got it figured out though: What you think I'm trying to show with the two quotes is that Cody is contradicting himself. In the first quote he's saying we shouldn't be concerned about crime caused by Mexicans, and in the second he says we should. If not then I really don't know what they hell you're talking about.

    However, that is not why I posted the two quotes. I knew EXACTLY what Cody was saying. I didn't twist a damn thing! I posted these two quotes because they both are examples of where Cody links Mexicans and crime. That simple. Any other meaning you attributed to my posting both quotes was due to your serious reading comprehension problem.

    DarkSaturos said... What all of a sudden you agree with President Bush?

    No, I most certainly do NOT agree with bush!!! The objective of any plan he comes up with will certainly be to exploit "guest workers" for the benefit of his wealthy base and the detriment of everyone else who will be forced to keep picking up the extra costs (healthcare, schools, etc).

    An Illegal Immigration Post I agree with: (excerpts) The only way to slow down illegal immigration is to do something about cutting off the ready supply of jobs -- but that is something Bush will never do. There are already fines on the books for employing illegal immigrants, but they are not being enforced... Another way of denying jobs to illegals would be to raise the minimum wage and strictly enforce it. If slave labor jobs paid more there would be more Americans taking them and less of a demand for cheap illegal labor. But again, Bush would never allow this to happen. Bush wants to drive down wages and increase the demand for foreign labor through a "guest worker" program that would allow foreign workers to underbid Americans for their jobs and legally enter the country to take a job that Americans no longer want because they don’t want to live in their cars. (Is Bush the Antichrist. R. Stephen Hanchett. 4/01/2006)

    DarkSaturos said... Guest workers won't leave. There was this story a little while back where an illegal alien got caught. Rather than deport him he was told he could leave and come back legally. He went to the airport and disappeared. Not like on the plane, like in the airport. He decided he'd just skip the legal process AGAIN and stay right here in the US. Point: guest workers is a bad idea beceause they will not leave.

    Proof?? Your unsubstantiated story doesn't count as proof, since the guy probably didn't believe (correctly) that he would be let back in. With a guest worker program in place there would be provisions to prevent -- or at least cut down on this type of abuse. For instance: If someone entered the US as a guest worker and then did not leave -- when they were caught they would be deported and not allowed back in (ever, or for a few years and then he'd have to pay a fine). In other words there would be penalties for not following the rules.

    Cody Said... What? If anything, Mexicans are hardworkers, where did you get that stereotype?

    From YOUR post!! Saying that the protestors don't have jobs, and that they are only here for government "freebies" isn't calling them lazy??

    Cody Said... I'm not saying all Mexicans are this or that, I'm only saying most illegal immigrants are the things I mentioned. Because it's true!

    Come on!! You're contradicting yourself in the SAME SENTENCE! Again you are asserting things to be factual WITHOUT PROOF! You only want me to go away because I'm calling you on your lies -- which probably causes you to break out in a sweat.

     
  • At 14/4/06 6:28 AM, Blogger Cody O'Connor said…

    Dervish, I gave you an entire F**king paragraph proving illigal immigration brought a rise in crime, drugs, diseases. And don't tell me it's right wing propaganda, you can find most of that info right on wikipedia.

    And another thing, not all illegal immigrants are Mexicans, I gave you a paragraph on that.

    "I'm not the one claiming the "lazy Mexican" stereotype is true."

    Who the hell is? I never once said Mexicans were lazy. Tell me where I said that. I said illegals who protested probably don't have jobs, because the ones who do have jobs went to work instead of the protest!

    "cheap votes?? What are you talking about?? As far as I know illegal immigrants can't vote."

    The ones who have phoney ID's can, or heck even authenticate drivers licenses. And as you can see by the picture on my post, they probably vote Democrat. Why would Democrats want to deport 11 million of their supporters?

    "The only way to slow down illegal immigration is to do something about cutting off the ready supply of jobs"

    That's a good way, take away all of their rights, free medical care, drivers license, and employment. But I still say we need a wall too.

    "What make both you and Michael greedy and heartless is saying "tough" to Mexico's poverty problem."

    Yes, and I have my reasons why, in my post. Go read it. My "heartlessness" is probably the best thing for American people who want entry-level jobs, and the Mexicans who still live in Mexico.

    Apparantly you aren't even reading my posts anymore, therefore I don't feel like I should let you comment anymore. Goodbye dervish.
    (I know you haven't left the last 8 times I asked to to screw off, but I'm going to try again in every single post and hope it works after a while)

     
  • At 14/4/06 8:09 PM, Blogger Dervish Sanders said…

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  • At 14/4/06 9:59 PM, Blogger Cody O'Connor said…

    "You didn't "prove" a damn thing!"

    No, you won't listen to a damn thing, you just assume I make everything up because your a bigoted prick. I'm done dealing with you, I can't even have a civil discussion anymore. So take a hike. (banned)

     
  • At 15/4/06 1:22 PM, Blogger Dervish Sanders said…

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  • At 15/4/06 2:51 PM, Blogger Dervish Sanders said…

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  • At 15/4/06 3:13 PM, Blogger Dervish Sanders said…

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  • At 15/4/06 3:14 PM, Blogger Dervish Sanders said…

    Cody said... you just assume I make everything up because your a bigoted prick.

    I was not saying you made anything up. I was asking you to please give your sources. You refused. I gave some theories as to why on the post of mine which you deleted.

    Cody said... No, you won't listen to a damn thing...

    I read what you wrote -- I disagree with it. Strongly. What, you think it isn't possible for me to have read what you wrote -- otherwise I'd be convinced by your argument??

    I looked at the Wikipedia entry, and I see SOME of the info in your article did come from there... Although you only quote the portions which say bad things about illegals. Your argument is completely one-sided. You blame the entire problem on people who only want to make a better life for themselves. Not only that, but then you blame everything else you can possibly think of on illegal immigration. Drug trafficing, crime, disease, etc, etc. Come on, you don't see how anyone could see that as bigoted?!

    Cody said... So take a hike. (banned)

    Whatever. I can use the time I would have spent posting here to work on my own blog. Maybe I'll write a post about bigoted hyprocritical bloggers. This is my last post then.... which you will probably delete. Go ahead, I won't cry about it. You're not going to get an apology out of me this time either. I don't regret anything I wrote.

     
  • At 15/4/06 6:50 PM, Blogger Cody O'Connor said…

    "This is my last post then.... which you will probably delete."

    Horray! My day is brightened. I'll leave you that final post, so we all have something to remind you by. Good *cough riddance cough* bye.

     
  • At 16/4/06 3:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Neat! I came here to see what arguements I would have to counter this time. How convienent I don't have to at the moment.

    In any case, sorry if I don't post a lot throughout the week. It's vacation and I get on the internet kind of irregularly. Just an early warning.

     
  • At 16/4/06 3:59 PM, Blogger Cody O'Connor said…

    "In any case, sorry if I don't post a lot throughout the week. It's vacation and I get on the internet kind of irregularly. Just an early warning."

    No problem. I probably will take a few days off from blogging too, but that's because I've been working on a new template, but more on that later...

     

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