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Sunday, June 18, 2006

Can we Ever do Things Right?

Well, if you hadn't heard, there has been 3 suicides in the Guantanamo bay prisons recently and of course, the Libs are having a field day. To them, this is the number one reason why Gitmo should be shut down. But then again, no matter what happens and what Americans do at Gitmo, it is turned into something we did wrong. Whether it's story manipulation, or flat out fabrication, the Liberals and the Liberal media will never stop finding ways to make us look bad at the Guantanamo bay prisons. And it begs the question, can we ever do anything right there, can we ever please the left?

The answer is a big bold no. If a prisoner goes on a hunger strike, it's our fault if we don't do anything about it. But if we try to force feed them, it's our fault because force feeding hurts. One trial a year per prisoner isn't enough, there must be more, and when there's multiple trials a year per prisoner, that isn't enough. The trials must be held in America. No matter what happens, the Liberals, civil Libertarians, and McCain-ites will never be pleased. Because in their mind, having lights on all day and dimmed at night is considered torture. But when the left can't find anything to manipulate when it comes to Gitmo, they just make things up. The UN for example had plenty bad to say about Guantanamo bay, but did they actually go there to see for themselves if it was true? No. Even though the facility is open for journalists, reporters, inspectors, and the Red Cross, they don't even bother checking their "facts". Instead they run on just rumors that are usually started by the prisoners themselves. And they're real trustworthy aren't they? I've got news for you, they're lying, the Koran tells them too! They don't stop fighting after being taken prisoner, they use psychological warfare on us, like lying for example. And every time the left buys into the lies, the terrorists have a better chance in this war.

Psychological warfare is exactly what these suicides were about. But don't ask me, ask the Muslims themselves. They claim that three "brothers" (Muslims) must commit suicide to get Guantanamo bay to shut down. These suicides had nothing to do with "despair". It's just another one of their strategies for fighting the war. And if you Liberals want to buy into their strategy, then you are just helping the terrorists! Why don't you understand?

The guards working at Guantanamo bay are not to blame for anything surrounding these suicides. They did not torture them to the point where they would kill themselves, and it's too bad no one from the Liberal media actually wants to go to Gitmo and discover that. Instead they would rather lie. And even though a few journalists have gone there and spoke the truth after, the Liberals just claim it's a government cover up. The torture chambers are actually underground. That's funny, I always thought it was hard to dig under sea level, let alone build torture chambers! No, the truth is, the guards are treating these prisoners very nicely, and the only reason these suicides occurred is because these terrorists are trying to fight a war in ways we haven't seen before.

Please America, think about what I've said before you urge us to shut down Guantanamo. Because when Liberals cry, people die.

12 Comments:

  • At 19/6/06 10:49 AM, Blogger Robert M. said…

    Very good post. Short and to the point.

    Anyway to renforce some points I'd like to give an example from your post that liberals protest and compare it to the US legal system. First in the one trial per year thing. Do they really think that US prisoners get one trial per year? Let me give an example. In some states when conducting a murder trial you must hold the trial almost 9 months after indictment. Appeal may take as long as 6. And murder is the kind of crime you have to rush through. My point is that judical processes take time. If a US prisoner can't get a trial done in a year, how does anyone expect foreign prisoners to have more than one trial a year? Frankly it's amazing that each prisoner can have a trial a year.

    Another thing is this amazing lack of knowledge liberals have about psychological warfare. The terrorists have these documents (as I'm sure you know) that tell them to claim tourture if they're captured. Why the left can't understand that I don't know.

    Anyway good post. (Of course you'll still get beaten up on by crazy liberals telling you that the chambers are in secret cave locations in George Bush's secret underground tourture lair where he conducts plots to take over the world or something like that.)

     
  • At 19/6/06 11:58 PM, Blogger Allisoni Balloni said…

    I had to research Gitmo for several months during the debate season, and because it was my first year debating I was assigned which position to argue, either affirmative or negative. I was assigned to argue negative, which meant that I had to find evidence to support the use of and defend the ongoings at Guantanamo Bay. Although I disagree with this administration on nearly all aspects surrounding the war, I was not well-versed about Gitmo prior to researching it. While my partner and I (two of us searching for evidence, that is) did find enough "evidence" to get us through our debates, it amazed me how much we had to twist and manipulate what we did find to support our argument. It wasn't easy. In a situation like debate, extremely biased evidence can really be used against you, and that made finding supportive evidence even more difficult. Once again, I went into this with an open mind because I was required to argue for it and hopefully win...therefore making it a really bad idea to be stubborn and close-minded. We DID find evidence that supported the idea that they are told to claim torture, but we also found clear evidence that not all prisoners are terrorists posessing these documents, and that even of those who do have them, very few act out. I do understand that terrorists do not think like the average person, but I also understand that it's not as simple as "they were told to do it." It is much more complicated than that. We cannot possibly understand the mind of a a muslim terrorist because the average American knows absolutely nothing of substance about their history, religion, or lifestyle. If we were educated about the enemy (which at most times I don't even feel that those in charge of the war are) I think that we would think twice before using such watered down arguements about something so complex.

     
  • At 20/6/06 12:27 AM, Blogger Allisoni Balloni said…

    Interesting segment on Nightline tonight...

     
  • At 20/6/06 9:35 AM, Blogger Robert M. said…

    We cannot possibly understand the mind of a a muslim terrorist because the average American knows absolutely nothing of substance about their history, religion, or lifestyle. If we were educated about the enemy (which at most times I don't even feel that those in charge of the war are) I think that we would think twice before using such watered down arguements about something so complex.

    I agree we need to learn more about Muslim history and culture, so we can use it to kill more terrorists. You have to understand something about these terrorists. You are open-minded enough and considerate enough to try to understand Muslim culture and history. Terrorists are not. Terrorists don't care about our culture, they want to destroy it. If we are to defeat them we must not be considerate to them. Just yes, considerate no. Because if you offer your hand to the terrorists you will have it promptly chopped off by a scimatar. It doesn't matter how considerate we are allosoni, because they will take consideration as a sign of weakness. We must study Islam and the Muslim empires and thier histroy, but not to clear up the issue of why terrorists do things. That reason is as old as any. Power and politics. There is no relegious fervor among sienor terrorists. This issue is not about Islam. It is about conquest and subjugation of everyone else. That is why we must study Islamic history. Find out what they did before, how they built their empires, then stop them from doing it again. Do you think the Ottomans took over most of the Mid-East for Islam? No, they did it for power and money. History repeats itself. They will do it again if we are too considerate. On the same scale? No, in thier minds on a greater one. You want a complex issue? Chew on that for a while.

     
  • At 20/6/06 10:38 PM, Blogger Allisoni Balloni said…

    And do you not think that we should have been educated before we started a war against them? We are up against guerrilla warfare, among others, that even though we have seen before (Vietnam ring a bell?) we are still unprepared to properly fight. The more uneducated we are, the more terrorists we will create. That should be almost more of a concern than how many we currently have to kill.

     
  • At 21/6/06 8:32 AM, Blogger Robert M. said…

    And do you not think that we should have been educated before we started a war against them?

    I think we were. Remember the Gulf War? We've been dealing with Islamic terrorists since the 70's. Actually since the 18th century, but recent terrorists we've been dealing with since the 70's. Our military knows how to handle them. Just because some of our population doesn't know how to doesn't mean they don't. True maybe the population should've but its the military that counts when it comes to terrorists.

    We are up against guerrilla warfare, among others, that even though we have seen before (Vietnam ring a bell?) we are still unprepared to properly fight.

    Yeah Vietnam rings a bell. It's interesting you mention that actually. See terrorists know about Vietnam. They know they can't outfight us, so they try to make support of the war go away. So they try to trick people like the protesters of the Vietnam War era into thinking it's going badly. But hey, you want to compare military history? Ok. Let's get some stats set up.

    V: Causalties: 58,000
    I: Causalties: 2,500 aprx.

    V: Enemy leaders killed/captured: 0
    I: Enemy leaders killed/captured: 3

    V: Enemies targeted soldiers
    I: Enemies target civilians

    V: Terrian: Dense jungle
    I: Terrian: Open desert

    I'm not sure how you can compare two completly different wars like that, but fine.

    The more uneducated we are, the more terrorists we will create.

    I doubt if you are educated about how the war is actually being fought. I heard a story from several soldiers on television. Basically two US snipers were caught in an ambush and radioed for help. A force of 1 US and 7 Iraqi came to help. Causalties?

    30+ Terrorists, 0 US/Iraqis.

    And this wasn't a FOXNews story either. It was on History Channel, an unbiased source which interviewed actual soldiers. Does THAT story educate you? Seems to me that even Al-Quada would have a hard time dealing with a blow like that. The show basically consisted of three days of the lives of these soldiers with the ratio of enemy killed to coalition killed to be about 50/1. Does that seem like an unprepared fight to you? I think you underestimate our soldiers and our country. I think it's you who need to educate yourself. About what actually happens in this war and how "unprepared" we supposedly are.

     
  • At 21/6/06 10:52 AM, Blogger Cody O'Connor said…

    I agree with Robby here. I think our military knows what we're dealing with, but our media outlets and the American people don't know as well. And it really isn't acceptable because we can run Gitmo great, but the American people can have a huge impact on what it does in the future, for better or for worse. If there is one objection I have to the way this war is being fought it is the lack of communication to the American people. If they don't understand it completely, they'll most likely oppose it. I have faith in Tony Snow fixing communication problems however, but we'll just have to see.

     
  • At 21/6/06 8:23 PM, Blogger Allisoni Balloni said…

    I was referencing Vietnam not for the type of support in the U.S., but because in that war our military h ad no idea how to combat an unorganized guerrilla force. That is the same thing we are facing here, and it wasn't approached properly.

     
  • At 22/6/06 12:24 PM, Blogger Robert M. said…

    I was referencing Vietnam not for the type of support in the U.S., but because in that war our military h ad no idea how to combat an unorganized guerrilla force. That is the same thing we are facing here, and it wasn't approached properly.

    You don't think that 50 terrorists dead for every Coalition dead shows a proper approach? What exactly is your defenition of "proper approach?" You don't think the military had the "proper approach" when thier kill-loss ratio is 50 to one? Help me out here, I don't see how it shows poor preperation or approach when our soldiers are quite clearly kicking the butts of the terrorist inurgents.

     
  • At 22/6/06 3:37 PM, Blogger Allisoni Balloni said…

    This is how you saw this war going? We will be in Iraq forever. We are occupying another country. I don't have to explain why a different approach may have had better results.

     
  • At 23/6/06 9:15 AM, Blogger Robert M. said…

    This is how you saw this war going? We will be in Iraq forever. We are occupying another country. I don't have to explain why a different approach may have had better results.

    Of course we'll be in Iraq forever. We are still in GERMANY. Does that mean we shouldn't have fought WWII? Of course not. And what's wrong with occupying another country to help them set up a government? Sounds to me like you have never really studied history. You want to study Muslim history but not US history. Don't you understand that war takes time? The problem is that liberals always want everything immediatly. This is exactly what the terrorists try to exploit.

     
  • At 23/6/06 9:41 AM, Blogger Cody O'Connor said…

    "The problem is that liberals always want everything immediatly."

    Hence the titles "Progressive" and "Conservative".

     

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